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From the CIA to the Peace Corps: Lessons in Human Intelligence and Heart

The Joy of Living Podcast with Barry Shore

In this powerful episode of The Joy of Living, Barry Shore welcomes Jeffrey Sanow—global intelligence expert, Peace Corps veteran, and leadership coach—for an inspiring, deeply human conversation. From his humble roots on an Ohio farm to decades of international service, Jeffrey shares how his life of HUMINT (human intelligence) evolved into a mission of humanity and humility.

Discover how service to a higher ideal—the U.S. Constitution and its people—shaped Jeffrey’s leadership philosophy, and why real influence starts with listening, adapting, and serving others first. With stories from Tunisia to the CIA and insights from his new book Presence and Power, Jeffrey invites us to rethink what it truly means to lead with purpose.

Get ready for laughter, reflection, and a renewed sense of gratitude as Barry and Jeffrey unpack acronyms, trade stories, and model the joy of living through service, humility, and hope.

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Show Notes:

[00.00] The Power of Purpose and Perspective

  • Barry Shore opens with high energy, reminding listeners that tuning in means they care most about themselves in a healthy way.
  • Introduces the three fundamentals of life: Purpose, Going MAD (Make A Difference), and Unlocking Everyday Words.
  • Shares his life-altering story of sudden paralysis and how it led to the philosophy of SMILE: Seeing Miracles In Life Every day.
  • Uses acronyms to energize listeners: CREATE (Causing Rethinking Enabling All to Excel) and THANK (To Harmonize And Nurture Kindness).
  • Brings humor and inspiration through stories, such as his niece’s version of SMILE and the importance of the word FUN (F-U, capital N, capital N).
  • Encourages listeners to share joy with others, express gratitude, and become active creators of their world.
  • Prepares the audience for the guest interview with themes of leadership, service, and humility.

[08.00] Human Intelligence and the Peace Corps Journey

  • Jeffrey Sanow introduces HUMINT: Human Intelligence for Humanity, grounded in decades of global experience.
  • Shares his humble origins as a “skinny farm boy” from Ohio and how the Peace Corps launched his lifelong adventure.
  • Highlights Tunisia as his first assignment, sharing stories of cultural immersion, learning Arabic, and enduring humility.
  • Discusses how initial motivation to escape turned into a powerful experience of connection and service.
  • Emphasizes learning through humility: being ignored by seasoned farmers taught him respect and deep listening.
  • Stresses that growth comes when choices are limited—humility is often not chosen but learned through necessity.
  • Reframes intelligence work as rooted in humanity, humility, and history—not secrecy and ego.

[19.00] Service Before Self: A Life Dedicated to Country

  • Jeffrey shares his career serving the U.S. Constitution and people, not just the government or any administration.
  • Emphasizes distinction between government and the ideals of the nation—service is about higher principles.
  • Details the deep sacrifice and patriotism of CIA professionals: long separations, modest compensation, relentless dedication.
  • Stresses that CIA is no longer a closed-off Ivy League circle; it’s now richly diverse and inclusive.
  • Candidly shares pride in working with exceptional people across backgrounds, highlighting the agency’s evolution.
  • Discusses the unseen sacrifices made in service to democratic ideals, especially those of freedom and rule of law.
  • Barry praises the American mindset: team-driven, purpose-filled, service-oriented.
  • The segment pivots toward leadership as a natural next step from service.

[27.00] Leadership and the Art of Communication

  • Jeffrey unpacks what great leadership looks like, shaped by training in the CIA and real-world experience.
  • Recounts attending three leadership academies, including the elite SIS course, where Broadway actors taught communication.
  • Emphasizes that leaders must communicate with clarity, emotion, and adaptability to reach different people.
  • Explains the leader’s job is to serve their team: asking “what do you need?” rather than dictating.
  • Barry introduces the idea that “a leader is a dealer in hope,” sharing acronyms like HOPE: Helping Others Progress Every day.
  • Stresses communication is not about the speaker, but about how well the message lands with the listener.
  • Notes the difference between a leader and a boss is communication: leaders connect, bosses command.
  • Together, they celebrate servant leadership and how it multiplies impact exponentially.

[39.00] Presence and Power: Building Influence with Integrity

  • Jeffrey discusses his collaboration with Mo Rock and the LA Tribune on the book “Presence and Power.”
  • The book explores how leadership combines both presence (authentic self) and power (influence for good).
  • Shares how presence without humility becomes ego—a pitfall for many leaders.
  • Reflects on lessons from fellow leaders in the CIA, emphasizing personal stories that shaped lasting relationships.
  • Barry highlights that leadership is forged through struggle, not titles—and Jeffrey agrees.
  • The segment ends with themes of church service, deeper meaning, and legacy.
  • Barry closes with joy and purpose: emphasizing gratitude, joy, acronyms, and the American spirit.
  • Jeffrey leaves listeners inspired with his humility, humor, and heartfelt dedication to service and leadership.

About Jeffrey Sanow

Jeffrey Sanow is a highly respected expert in global intelligence, risk management, and strategic leadership, with over 35 years of experience across international operations, security, and executive training. As a former Senior Intelligence Officer in the National Clandestine Service of the CIA, Jeffrey played a critical role in high-stakes missions worldwide, focusing on counterproliferation, embassy security, and intelligence operations.
Post-CIA, Jeffrey transitioned into defense contracting, leadership consulting, and corporate training. He has advised elite military units, worked in high-risk international environments, and served as a strategic consultant for businesses aiming to enhance risk management, leadership resilience, and crisis preparedness.